It's just about ready, - Camaro rear subframe

[MoparCar]

Do you think it could be done on a Challenger as on the Camaro and still keep the slightly modified stock trunk/floor pans? I have the complete trunk pan out now anyway and it's early in the build (trying to figure out what systems to go with). What would be required for you to build this as far as measurements, templates, etc?

If this is to far off topic, I'll repost as a new topic.

Thanks!

[DarkoNova]

We can definitely build you a custom one for your e-body. There will be a little bit more fab work but we can do it!

I'm guessing you could do it for a 71 Duster as well, then, eh? Mopar guys rarely ever get any new performance stuff, and especially the unpopular A-bodies. If you could make one to fit my Duster (and of course, the Nova), that'd be 2 guaranteed sales from me (when I get the money of course, lol).

Matt

[CraigMorrison]

Somebody has to ask. How much $? Thanks Eric

Here's the pricing~

Tri 4-bar rear clip package
Includes:
fully welded subframe $1750
Tri 4 bar tubes & rod ends $ 360
Strange adj coil overs $ 360
Coil springs $ 80
Tri 4-bar sway bar $ 240
9+ Tri 4-bar housing $ 955
Spring bearing kit $ 30
Total $ 3815
Package discount $ (175)
Total $ 3640

You can also add:
Center section mounting kit $ 20
9" housing breather $ 26
3/8" t-bolt kit $ 35
Strange 31 spline axles $ 342
Wheel studs $ 25
Axle bearings $ 70
Strange S case 3rd member $1225
U-bolts for 9" yoke $ 18

The Strange "S' case 3rd member is set up with a posi unit and your gear choice

[PRONOVA]

Will this be avaliable with shock waves?

[CraigMorrison]

yes it will - we made sure that they did fit

[MoparCar]

We can definitely build you a custom one for your e-body. There will be a little bit more fab work but we can do it!

What would be required for this? More fab on my end or yours (I know---both!). What would you need for a custom fit? CL of axle, width of rails, rise or offset of frame rails, etc? do you have a dimensioned side view/drawings of the camaro frame so I could compare to the Challenger to see how close they are?

Thanks

[parsonsj]

I love it guys!!! AME rocks!

jp

[Corinthian]

Here's the pricing~

Tri 4-bar rear clip package
Includes:
fully welded subframe $1750
Tri 4 bar tubes & rod ends $ 360
Strange adj coil overs $ 360
Coil springs $ 80
Tri 4-bar sway bar $ 240
9+ Tri 4-bar housing $ 955
Spring bearing kit $ 30
Total $ 3815
Package discount $ (175)
Total $ 3640

You can also add:
Center section mounting kit $ 20
9" housing breather $ 26
3/8" t-bolt kit $ 35
Strange 31 spline axles $ 342
Wheel studs $ 25
Axle bearings $ 70
Strange S case 3rd member $1225
U-bolts for 9" yoke $ 18

The Strange "S' case 3rd member is set up with a posi unit and your gear choice

So it's priced and available? How did I miss this! Calling you guys later today.

[silver69camaro]

What would be required for this? More fab on my end or yours (I know---both!). What would you need for a custom fit? CL of axle, width of rails, rise or offset of frame rails, etc? do you have a dimensioned side view/drawings of the camaro frame so I could compare to the Challenger to see how close they are?

Thanks

More fab work would be required on your end. Typically our custom rear clips require most of the trunk sheetmetal to be removed. We've made clips for Aston Martins to Anglias to '01 Chev pickups, so we can accomodate pretty much everything. PM me a basic layout of what you would need for a rear clip and I'll see what we can put together for you.

Thanks for the compliment John! We always enjoy your work.

Just for a quickie update: About 150 miles on the car so far with the clip installed. The difference between this and glass/steel leafs is incredible. Awesome handing and lateral control. The biggest gain so far: ride quality and handling predictability. It's fairly easy to tell when the tires are approaching it's limits, and it's more forgiving when correcting. The chassis is noticably stiffer and has zero creaks/rattles coming from the body.

Using spherical rod ends at all joints for the 3-link provides razor sharp response and axle control, at the expense of increased NVH (we all know that). Poly rod ends keeps things quiet, but somewhat softens it up.

Other changes to note: The car is now running 4.30 gears instead of 3.73s as previous. To me, this is a very good gear for T56 transmissions using a 0.5:1 6th. 70MPH is 1900RPM and downshifting is no longer needed to pass cars. Standard 45mph back roads now make use of 5th gear for comfortable cruising. 3.73s were just way too tall...

Also, a clutch type limited slip was replaced by a Detroit TruTrac. I recommend this to anyone. Works excellent at low speeds but does not push the car in tight corners while on the throttle.

[MoparCar]

More fab work would be required on your end. Typically our custom rear clips require most of the trunk sheetmetal to be removed. We've made clips for Aston Martins to Anglias to '01 Chev pickups, so we can accomodate pretty much everything. PM me a basic layout of what you would need for a rear clip and I'll see what we can put together for you.

I'll have to make some measurements and a sketch-that would be great. My trunk sheetmetal is out now so it wouldn't be a problem.


So by your remarks, I'm assuming you have the 3-link watt's in your ride currently...... not the 4 link. Correct? That's most likely what I'd be interested in for my Challenger also. I'd have to look at the packaging and fitment a bit.

[silver69camaro]

Actually, the installed in mine has both mounts - 3-link and triangulated 4-bar.

[holschen]

whats the price diffrence between the tri-4bar and the 3link?

Here's the pricing~

Tri 4-bar rear clip package
Includes:
fully welded subframe $1750
Tri 4 bar tubes & rod ends $ 360
Strange adj coil overs $ 360
Coil springs $ 80
Tri 4-bar sway bar $ 240
9+ Tri 4-bar housing $ 955
Spring bearing kit $ 30
Total $ 3815
Package discount $ (175)
Total $ 3640

You can also add:
Center section mounting kit $ 20
9" housing breather $ 26
3/8" t-bolt kit $ 35
Strange 31 spline axles $ 342
Wheel studs $ 25
Axle bearings $ 70
Strange S case 3rd member $1225
U-bolts for 9" yoke $ 18

The Strange "S' case 3rd member is set up with a posi unit and your gear choice

[silver69camaro]

The 3-link clip is $925 more than the triangulated, bringing it to $4565. It's considerably more complicated and requires some fabrication know-how for install. I would recommend the triangulated for most street guys; easy to install, quiet (no spherical rod ends used), cheaper, and handles great.

[Payton King]

Comparison numbers between the 3 link and tri 4 on your car.

Driving impressions between both? I could not tell from your response above if you were speaking of the tri 4 or the 3 link.

[silver69camaro]

Driving impressions between both? I could not tell from your response above if you were speaking of the tri 4 or the 3 link.

I was speaking of the 3-link, sorry. I'm going to put several hundred miles on the 3-link setup before I switch. So far I have about 300, I'll switch around 500-700. I want to be intimately familiar with it's characteristics before the swap.

[Payton King]

I will keep watching for an update

[DIK069]

Seriously considering one of these.

How did you go getting an exhaust up and over the housing with the 3 link set up ? Will it take a 3 inch ?

any pics ?

thanks

[silver69camaro]

How did you go getting an exhaust up and over the housing with the 3 link set up ?

Personally, I didn't. My exhaust exits before the crossmember.

There is room to do this, but like any link type suspension in these cars, it will be somewhat complex. The triangulated 4-bar would be much easier and is what I would recommend if this issue would be of concern.

As an update, I will be switching to triangulated soon...

Adding photo:


It's an unusual setup, but sounds really good.

[DIK069]

Thanks,

I saw the pics of your car on the other thread. with the front clip installed and prior to the rear clip installed. Nice, simple and understated.

Have you run a bigger rear wheel tyre combo now you have the mini tubs ?

Is the 3 link width the same as mentioned for the 4 link, in that it will take a 335 tyre ?

[silver69camaro]

Thanks. Car sits lower now due to the rear clip:


I've been debating to drop it down a tad lower. It's about 5.25" between subframe and ground in this photo.

The car still has 275mm tires in back. Maybe because I'm an engineer, but I try to stay away from excess. Art's '55 proved that 0.96g is obtainable on 245/275mm street tires...slap on a set of R-compounds or sticky DOTs and you'll have a car that could be well over 1.1g static. Larger tires will indeed deliver more grip, at the expense of tire noise, degraded ride quality, additional weight, and fuel consumption.

So far the car handles and rides like an M3, but gets better mileage. It's hard to mess with that.